wamileoshun:

teaandcrowns:

kidbumi:

wamileoshun:

teaandcrowns:

avoeia:

I didn’t mean my art to be racist and done it with the only intention to be a good drawing. I didn’t consider many aspects of the things,however I just want to say sorry if someone felt offended by it. I am not one for speeches but i just want to say that what i did was not intentionally made to hurt or offend anyone.

Just wanted to say a couple things:

a) Your art was Great. The style is lovely, clean, I really enjoyed it! I reblogged immediately and it made me check out the rest of your blog because I thought it was so good.

b) Just because you did an AU of a disney movie that does not depict a true version of a part of history (because it’s disney and None of them are accurate), and that story shares SOME qualities with a potential of zutara, doesn’t make it or you racist or insensitive or inconsiderate. The fact that disney portrayed a historical story innacurately and romatacized it is Not your doing and certainly warrants a discussion all its own, but that discussion doesn’t involve a great piece of literally harmless fanart.

I’m not going to go into the myriad reasons why people going off on calling zutara awful and colonial fetishization is pretty goddamn wrong because it’s really too late right now, but I honestly wanted you to know your art is fantastic and that people jumping down your throat over an incorrectly told story that’s not even yours reflects WAY more on them than it does you.

I’m looking forward to more AtLA art from you btw!

Great. You a racist too. The Disney movie is racist. Anything that romanticizes and woobifies colonialization is racist.

No one’s got an answer that excuses Zutara outside of nostalgia for an angstier time, but everyone wants to say that Zutara is not in anyway problematic. It’s always “antis are wrong, but I’m too tired/bored/busy/good to say why in a definitive and irrefutable way.” I would just beg literally anyone who’s been following this to ask themselves why there isn’t any irrefutable answer to Zutara criticisms.

Even if it were just me making these criticisms, maybe you could brush me off but it has been several posts and thousands of notes from different, unconnected users in recent months that have echoed similar criticisms of Zutara. Why would that be?

And are we really still in a place in 2018 where we are pretending like intentions matter more than impacts when we’re discussing axes of oppression? I feel like you understand that that isn’t the case because you, OP, have removed the piece of artwork, but I guess it bears repeating.

Nah it’s not nostalgia. It’s the fact that the Water Tribes themselves were not colonized. The SWT was decimated, people aken from their homes and outright murdered, yes, but not there are no Fire Nation colonies. Different war crime. It’s that Zuko was raised to think the Fire Nation was doing good by invading other nations and colonizing parts of the Earth Kingdom, but when he actually saw what his nation had subjected others to, he realized the indoctrination he, and most everyone else, had been raised in, and changed. He did have a redemption arc that not only emcompassed him going through personal fundamental change within himself, but also on behalf of the nation he would one day lead.

Which, of course, was why he initiated reparations to the other nations all his forefathers has harmed. He withdrew the colonies as best he could (which is an extremely messy business and one of the few things in the comics I think they illustrated well in Yu Dao with the complicated comingling of peoples). He sent resources to help bolster the rebuilding of the Southern Water Tribe. And, knowing the kind of character Zuko is, he probably bear himself up over not being able to do more, and that his forefathers had done such terrible things to begin with.

Had Zutara become canon, it would have been a ridiculously excellent step forward. Katara is a direct victim of the crimes of the Fire Nation, but she also is a character that believes in progress and moving forward. Neither she nor Zuko can change the past, but they can both change the future for the better. Having Katara be with Zuko would give the rest of the world the very public statement that things can move forward in a better direction. She would have had a much bigger hand in the world’s political stage in bringing about positive change and helping mend wounds, instead of just individual Avatar journeys here and there where she frequently felt sidelined by Aang’s infatuated new Air Acolytes and the attention he gave them. (No, I’m not saying that’s right or wrong in this particular rebuttal; it’s not the point I’m covering here. That’s a different topic.)

And, no, to head off any comment that Katara does not have to forgive those who hurt her, she didn’t. She didn’t forgive Yon Rha, who murdered her mother. She didn’t forgive Ozai, who perpetuated and worsened the state of the world. She forgave Zuko for antagonizing—but never actually personally hurting (aside from the accident of Toph’s feet)—them. And, she had a hand in helping the younger Fire Nation generations learn better things by being a part of the Harmony Restoration Movement and traveling with the Avatar. (Not as big of a hand as she could have—and would have been suited for—to have imo).

This isn’t racist, nor is it colonization apology or fetishization. Zuko can’t change the past, but he can try and beg forgiveness for what his forefathers did and repair the world moving forward, which is exactly what he did. Had Zutara been canon, we would have seen much more of that first-hand. The point of the end of Avatar was that the divided four nations were supposed to be a thing of the past, and that a globalization was better moving forward. There are schools of thought on that concept, but the thrust of AtLA, Team Avatar, and the Avatar themselves is that the world is better when in harmony together, rather than split apart and in chaos. Canon Zutara would have been a buch bigger representation of that, in showing that two people from opposites sides of war can come together, overcome obstacles, and find harmony and balance with one another (sounds familiar amirite? Oma and Shu).

Had Zuko wed an Earth Kingdom person, the argument of colonization apology would be much stronger imo, but between Zuko and Katara? It’s not.

And, I also know that others have made similar arguments/refutations/meta posts about this, so I have to ask if you just haven’t seen those as well? Or if you’re just refusing to acknowledge and ignore the arguments refuting this you claim don’t exist.

Zuko, in canon, has traumatized Katara, abused Katara, abused her brother and elderly grandmother, terrorized her village in the name of imperialism and fascism. Zuko has blackmailed her. Used violent rhetoric on her. Was complicit in the murder of her best friend and later boyfriend Aang whom she had to bring back to life.

Y’all still want this girl to fall in love with her abuser? Why because abuser said he was sorry for hurting her and her feelings 😥

Also Oma and Shu isn’t even about Zuko and Katara you cracker. (X)

Zuko is the leader of a nation that has gone through indoctrination and generational resentment for people like Katara and people of the Earth Kingdom, you think Katara can fix that through being his consort? It aint her job to fix him or his dumbfuck of a country (X)

Look at your wet dream. This is your fantasy.

Twisting her arm, hurting her because his imperial soldiers are so important. Tell me why Katara should fall in love with him? The best thing for them is to be friends but lovers? Are you sick in the head?

And you want to know why a Pocahontas au of Zutara is racist and anti native? I’ve already explained to you why the Disney movie is racist but here’s why the real story of Pocahontas should never be romanticized into fanart or into a cute movie.

– Pocahontas (real name Matoaka) was a real life person who died at the age of 20-21.

– Matoaka was kidnapped by her abuser (Katara by Zuko, amirite?)

– Matoaka was abused and raped by her abuser (Katara was definitely abused by Zuko but not raped Thank God)

– Matoaka was only between 14-17 years old, very close age to Katara.

You think its cute to compare Pocahontas to Zutara? Even if its now a cute little Disney film? Are you that daft and racist?

Also @honxrable I see you reblogged this. When are you gonna address this you antisemite trash?

I’m sorry you feel the need to resort to name-calling and insults in your reply, as well as sling about false accusations.

Katara would not be his consort, she is and would continue to be his equal, as they were shown to be in the show. I’d appreciate you not putting words in my mouth and refer back to when I said “Zuko has made reparations to the other Nations” in order to begin to make up for and right the wrongs his forefathers committed before him. Katara would not be “fixing it for him or his country”, especially considering he did it without her as his romantic partner.

Zuko regressed in the comics in character development and they should honestly barely be considered cannon for how poorly all the characters were treated in terms of depth. That said, Zuko was restraining Katara from attacking his soldiers, as evidenced in the comic scan you provided. In addition, Zuko and Katara have been sparring and fighting partners. I seriously doubt that he was doing anything to truly hurt her. Wrist locks can be quite painful if pressed, but they’re typically used as a non-lethal form of control and restraint against someone by exerting minimal force but in specifically applied areas. As someone who also spars martial arts with their partner, are there some things that hurt me sometimes? Yes. Am I abused or damaged in any way? Absolutely not. With as skilled fighters as both Zuko and Katara are, I can guarantee that were this a real-life situation (because let’s recall amid the slinging insults and name-calling, this is an imperfect fictional tv show), Zuko would know how to Not hurt someone in a controlled situation like this, and Katara would probably be aware of that as well.

Zuko was not Katara’s abuser. Zuko himself was directly abused, both physically and emotionally for years, and then grew in development, realized his failings, and faced his abuser. Katara was a victim of heinous war acts, no question or doubt, but she wasn’t abused by Zuko. Antagonized? Absolutely. Bullied? It’s a bit of a stretch for that imo but sure, I can see that argued for. Intimidated? I don’t think any of the Gaang were actually intimidated by Zuko, but he certainly did try. But abused? No.

We can go ‘round and ’round all day about Oma and Shu. I see far more parallels and references to Zuko and Katara, than I do to Katara and Aang. You’ve got people arguing meta for Kataang? I’ve got people arguing meta for Zutara. Will we ever know who is actually more correct in a canon standpoint? Doubtful. (Does it matter? No; you have fun with your interpretation of the tale, I have fun with mine. Life goes on.)

Also my wet dream is a relationship of equals where there’s mutual respect and a sharing of the emotional burden, not where one person is both put on a pedestal and required to do the vast majority of the emotional (and daily responsible) lifting, thanks for asking

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